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* offer structured trace formats (TSV+JSON, XML, sqlite?) to avoid low-level parsing | * offer structured trace formats (TSV+JSON, XML, sqlite?) to avoid low-level parsing | ||
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* Do we still obey QT_MESSAGE_PATTERN? YES and it could be extended with, say, %{format} %{arg0} ... | |||
* Can we generate efficient tracepoint code without an external tracepoint description and tool? | * Can we generate efficient tracepoint code without an external tracepoint description and tool? | ||
* Should we provide a format+args handler delegating by default to the existing handler? | * Should we provide a format+args handler delegating by default to the existing handler? |
Revision as of 12:18, 26 October 2017
Discussion
- Structured logging:
- We want to extract information from logs and detect common messages. For example:
From | To |
---|---|
Got message "Hello" |
Got message "%s" Hello |
Got message "World" |
Got message "%s" World |
- We want to allow logging to store ancillary data, possibly in machine-readable format, likely not part of the message itself
- Like journald API can do
- How do we allow different formatting depending on backend? Needs to support formatting user types too.
- We want to allow logging to store ancillary data, possibly in machine-readable format, likely not part of the message itself
- Structured output
- Store to databases, for example
- Select backend with environment variable
Need to review with LTTNG and ETW tracing
ML discussion: http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2017-October/031047.html
Summary
Qt Logging lacks regarding 2 different use cases:
1/ High-performance code (say HW handling, big data processing) needs a way to inject a few structured tracepoints to generate large binary traces (say, for profiling)
2/ Existing tracepoints (think about nb of qDebug in Qt user code) should generate more structured traces to:
- facilitate exploration and diagnostic, and
- allow immediate use of analysis tools like Python
Service and Device developers need #1. Medical Devices would benefit from #2 for post-market surveillance. Device designers operating in an uncontrolled environment would probably benefit from #2 as well
Prototypes
- LTTNG and ETW tracing uses external tracepoint data description to generate code for LTTNG and ETW backends (or no code at all)
- Qt-based modmedLog library (presentation, forge) uses Bind<T> and IData implementations to bind tracepoint data to JSON/XML/Console outputs and possibly read them back for replay
Conclusion
We should sit down and see how these 2 use cases intersect and the best things that are provided by each prototype
Requirements
For #1:
- as little generated code as possible at the tracepoint:
- no binary or numeric formatting
- completely removable from release code (not just bypassing like QNoDebug::operator<<)
For #2:
- source compatibility with qDebug tracepoints
- do not require non trivial changes such as changing from qDebug()<< to qDebug(...)
- allow changing qDebug() to qTrace() or whatever to provide choice of old vs structured tracing
- extensible to any user data type
- offer structured trace formats (TSV+JSON, XML, sqlite?) to avoid low-level parsing
Questions
- Do we still obey QT_MESSAGE_PATTERN? YES and it could be extended with, say, %{format} %{arg0} ...
- Can we generate efficient tracepoint code without an external tracepoint description and tool?
- Should we provide a format+args handler delegating by default to the existing handler?
(*QtMessageHandler2)(...,const QString & format, const QStringList & args);
- Should we provide a formatting-independant handler based on Bind<T>:
(*QtMessageHandler3)(...,const QString & format, const QList<BindableRef> & args);
- What about modmedLog performance?
- When variadic macros and templates are available, can they be used to get the best of both prototypes?